This episode we do a quick run-down of the things we loved and found most interesting about this book “The Secret Lives of Color” by Kassia St. Clair.

Michelle’s week:

Michelle took a stay-cation this week which was really nice and much needed. Though she is still a mom and that’s a full-time job on its own. It is the last week of summer before her daughter starts kindergarten, so this week was a chance for Michelle to spend time with her daughter before school starts. However, it still is very challenging. Michelle let her daughter watch TV while she took a nap, and sadly her daughter found the scissors and chose that to be the time of a haircut for herself. 

Joelle’s week: 

Joelle has been running and training to run a 10k in October, so that has been taking up a lot of time. Still in the beginning stages of the training, but she’s getting there. Besides that, it’s just been outside work with the little baby plants.

Brandi’s week:

Brandi took her kids to Santa Fe to visit her parents and she was able to play tourist in her home town. They took the train and made a fun day of it. She went to Sky Coffee who, Jason Munn, did their design work, and they had amazing coffee!

Takeaways from this episode:

• If you want to hear more about this book, the podcast 99% Invisible, has an episode where Roman Mars interviews Kassia St. Clair. It is episode 340 -The Secret Lives of Color.
• The meanings that we get from colors and even the names of colors are there for a reason
• We advise having something to take notes, or just have a willingness to write in this book.

“You kind of have to be in a good space to be able to sit down cause it’s like you’re reading science, you’re reading geology, you’re reading history and you’re reading like psychology, like every two pages for every single color.” -Brandi Sea

• A fun mention is colormen, “Those who produced and trained in colors”. Similar to Leatris Eisman who we have an interview with. Episode 021 of Design Speaks
• Fun fact, Baker-Miller pink was the color that they painted a lot of prisons and insane asylums because it is such a calming color. They stopped using it because it affected everyone including workers. Why does red increase a person’s heart rate but light red calm them down? 
• The majority of the quotes in this book come from artists. You will quickly learn that you are not alone in your love of color.
• Blue is most likely the most popular favorite color because it is always there. It is the most trusted; the most constant of colors. 

Joelle’s song: See Through by The Band Camino 

Brandi’s song: Game of Survival by Ruelle

THIS QUARTER, we finished reading, The Secret Lives of Color by Kassia St. Clair. We had a ton of things to say about this super fun book!

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TRANSCRIPTION:

Brandi Sea: 00:00:01 I don’t know how this happened. Two of my best friends in high school, we’re both gingers. I’m like,

Michelle: 00:00:06 It’s ’cause they’re fiery and they can deal with you.

Joelle: 00:00:08 Yeah.

Brandi Sea: 00:00:11 They’re feisty! They can deal with me. Only gingers can deal with you, Brandi. I understand.

Speaker 2: 00:00:16 Welcome to Design Speaks. This lovely podcast is brought to you by a graphic design geek and a regular human being. AKA, I non-designer. We’re here to chat about music, pop culture, cool places, or basically whatever we feel is relevant.

Brandi Sea: 00:00:32 Hey, I’m Brandy Sea.

Michelle: 00:00:33 And I’m Michelle.

Joelle: 00:00:34 And I’m Joelle.

Brandi Sea: 00:00:35 And you’re listening to episode 110 of Design Speaks.

Michelle: 00:00:38 On today’s episode we’re going to be talking about a book called The Secret Life of color, lives of color.

Brandi Sea: 00:00:45 All the lives.

Michelle: 00:00:46 All of the lives of color.

Joelle: 00:00:47 Yes, all of the lives.

Michelle: 00:00:48 Um it’s.

Brandi Sea: 00:00:48 The reincarnations.

Michelle: 00:00:50 I’m gonna tell you it’s a great book even though I have not read it.

Brandi Sea: 00:00:53 It’s okay. Joelle and I decided that we would read it and Michelle could ask us questions to prove that we read it.

Michelle: 00:01:01 Pop quiz, except you’ve known that it’s coming. So pop of color quiz.

Brandi Sea: 00:01:02 Except Michelle wouldn’t know for your lying. So.

Michelle: 00:01:06 No, very true.

Brandi Sea: 00:01:07 We’re all honest here.

Michelle: 00:01:08 So anyway, that’s coming up first. Let’s just talk about ourselves.

Brandi Sea: 00:01:13 You go first.

Michelle: 00:01:14 Okay. Um, so my week has been fairly chill. I want to say chill. I haven’t had to work this week, this week. You guys it’s been nice. Um, I took a stay-cation.

Brandi Sea: 00:01:25 Except that you’re still a mom so you’re still working.

Michelle: 00:01:26 So it’s like full time. Yeah. So, um, my daughter starts school next week. I’ve been getting that up and going. She’s about to be in kindergarten, so.

Brandi Sea: 00:01:35 So you took this week off because.

Michelle: 00:01:37 Because it’s her last week and we don’t have childcare and also it’s her last week. Um, so I’m spending the week at home with her and just spending some time and trying not to stick her in front of the TV for too long.

Brandi Sea: 00:01:50 How’s it going?

Michelle: 00:01:51 Um, the TV that she has been in front of was either because I like took a nap or because we were watching something together.

Brandi Sea: 00:01:59 And what happened while you were taking a nap?

Michelle: 00:02:00 Oh my gosh.

Joelle: 00:02:02 Oh No.

Michelle: 00:02:03 Well, she, so we got our school supplies. Um, which like I’m kind of kind of like in between like, holy crap, school supplies, they cost so much, but also whatever, like, you know, at the same time, whatever.

Brandi Sea: 00:02:15 It’s fun to buy school supplies

Michelle: 00:02:16 It’s fun. Yeah. And so.

Joelle: 00:02:19 I miss it.

Michelle: 00:02:19 I know it was a good time of the year.

Brandi Sea: 00:02:21 Just have kids.

Michelle: 00:02:21 Yeah. There you go.

Joelle: 00:02:23 In future. Not now.

Michelle: 00:02:25 Yeah, don’t rush it. Just, just chill on that. Um.

Joelle: 00:02:29 I’m like, it’s only been 11 months, 10 months. Give me some time.

Brandi Sea: 00:02:32 I need to be an auntie again. Get going.

Michelle: 00:02:34 Right after you get married. It’s like when our kids, when our kids want our kids and then the year hits and people were like, when our kids, you’re just like, stop, leave me alone.

Joelle: 00:02:43 Let me choose when I want to change my life forever.

Michelle: 00:02:45 Whenever the Lord wills.

Brandi Sea: 00:02:48 That’s basically it. Yeah.

Michelle: 00:02:50 Um, so she’s at the point where we’re buying school supplies. Tons of fun. She got, um, so on the list, are scissors, and I was like, let’s just buy two pairs of scissors, one for home because we don’t have a safe pair of scissors for her at home. And one for school while we open the scissors for home. And apparently, she just has zero self-control because like I didn’t even tell you that. So she cut her hair.

Joelle: 00:03:16 Oh No.

Michelle: 00:03:17 And then lied about it.

Brandi Sea: 00:03:19 How much of it did she cut?

Michelle: 00:03:20 She cut off like a solid three or four inches.

Joelle: 00:03:23 Oh gosh, I did that when I was younger.

Michelle: 00:03:26 Yeah.

Joelle: 00:03:26 And I lied and I got in trouble.

Michelle: 00:03:28 This is her third time

Joelle: 00:03:29 Oh No.

Michelle: 00:03:30 The first time was at her aunt’s house secretly in the bathroom.

Joelle: 00:03:33 Oh No.

Michelle: 00:03:34 The second time was at her aunt’s house because she was just like testing the, like she was like, let’s see if anybody catches me this time. And this third time was just like, what are you not doing?

Brandi Sea: 00:03:45 Not this aunt.

Michelle: 00:03:45 Not this aunt, no. And that’s like, I’m just like, what are you, why, why? And then so she got into a lot of trouble. Got some privileges taken away and then this morning she wakes up. So this was yesterday by the way.

Joelle: 00:03:59 Oh Gosh.

Michelle: 00:03:59 She wakes up and like we’re about to have like a, we talked about it. It’s, it’s been a good day, but she wakes up and I see that the clothes that she was wearing while all the cutting was going down are also cut. So I just like ripped the shirt off of her and threw it in the trash. And it was like, now you don’t have this shirt. Now it’s gone because you took scissors to it. Oh my gosh. I was so mad.

Joelle: 00:04:23 Oh No.

Michelle: 00:04:23 So mad.

Joelle: 00:04:24 Oh No.

Brandi Sea: 00:04:24 But she said it fell out.

Michelle: 00:04:26 Yeah. Oh, she told me that like when I first caught her, she was like, no, it fell out. I’m like, we have bigger issues if it fell out. Because the fact that it’s falling out.

Brandi Sea: 00:04:35 In chunks.

Michelle: 00:04:35 In chunks and like that straight across it’s a problem. So she got into a lot of trouble for one using the scissors, cutting her hair because she’s not a hairstylist. And two more so for lying to me about it.

Joelle: 00:04:48 Oh yeah.

Michelle: 00:04:48 Lying is not okay.

Joelle: 00:04:49 Oh gosh.

Michelle: 00:04:50 Anyway, so while I take naps, apparently she cuts her hair and acts like a wild child which she is. Um, but it’s been good. Other than that minus like the 95-degree heat and my swamp cooler not working. Yeah.

Joelle: 00:05:04 I’m so sorry.

Michelle: 00:05:04 It’s okay. It’s okay. She’s just being a five-year-old question mark.

Brandi Sea: 00:05:09 Sure.

Joelle: 00:05:09 Sure.

Brandi Sea: 00:05:10 Yes.

Joelle: 00:05:10 I think I was like five when I cut my hair.

Michelle: 00:05:13 I don’t remember ever cutting my hair so.

Brandi Sea: 00:05:15 Oh, I definitely did.

Joelle: 00:05:16 Yeah. I only did it maybe like, maybe like two, one, two times.

Michelle: 00:05:20 Oh Gosh. I don’t remember doing this. Like, and I, I don’t think my dad would remember.

Brandi Sea: 00:05:23 I remember doing it one time, but yeah, it happened.

Michelle: 00:05:26 I remember getting into like makeup and like putting lipstick all over my face cause I was like, I’m like a clown.

Joelle: 00:05:31 Oh yeah.

Brandi Sea: 00:05:32 It’s so fun.

Michelle: 00:05:33 Yeah. But that’s all I, oh I do remember one time I had, this is like later on in life and I genuinely don’t know why I thought I was doing something that was okay. Um, I had a project and I’m super procrastinator, even fifth grade, so procrastination type of girl. And I was like, I have a huge project due tomorrow and I have to make this like book filled with poems.

Joelle: 00:05:54 Oh No.

Michelle: 00:05:55 So I had to write a bunch of poems and then I had to put the book together and I didn’t have like a proper cover for it. And so I went into my mom’s drawer.

Brandi Sea: 00:06:05 Oh No.

Michelle: 00:06:06 And I was like, she never wears this shirt. And I cut it up. And I paced and I hot glued it to the book and I had a really pretty beautiful like fur like kind of fuzzy soft cover that turns out it was like a cashmere shirt.

Joelle: 00:06:20 Oh my gosh.

Michelle: 00:06:21 I got.

Brandi Sea: 00:06:23 Did your mom lose it?

Michelle: 00:06:24 Oh, she was so mad. She was so mad. I’ve never seen her wear this shirt.

Brandi Sea: 00:06:28 But it was cashmere.

Michelle: 00:06:30 It was cashmere.

Joelle: 00:06:30 Yeah.

Brandi Sea: 00:06:31 She was probably never throwing it away because it’s cashmere.

Joelle: 00:06:34 There was a cashmere scarf in Israel and I wanted to buy it so bad, but it was so expensive, but it was so soft. I was like Kurtis, buy me this scarf. He’s like, no.

Brandi Sea: 00:06:43 I know, every year for Christmas, I’m like, my mom would love this, but it’s just like so much money.

Michelle: 00:06:47 It’s so much money. Oh, she lost her mind, but I got an okay grade. It was like a B.

Brandi Sea: 00:06:53 It’s pretty good. Your mom’s like, you better get a freaking A on that.

Michelle: 00:06:57 I did not. Sorry, mom.

Brandi Sea: 00:07:00 Cashmere is A quality.

Joelle: 00:07:02 Yeah.

Michelle: 00:07:02 But that’s like the worst thing I can really remember doing it. But I that was like out of pure like I didn’t know I did anything wrong. I don’t even know why I thought that was okay. But.

Brandi Sea: 00:07:13 I love how you didn’t like look in your own drawers first.

Michelle: 00:07:16 No I was like, my thought was my mom doesn’t care about fashion.

Joelle: 00:07:20 Oh Gosh.

Michelle: 00:07:22 So I just was like, I’ll use her clothes. I like mine. So.

Joelle: 00:07:25 Oh my Gosh.

Brandi Sea: 00:07:25 That’s the best.

Michelle: 00:07:28 How about your week, Joelle?

Joelle: 00:07:30 Um, so I have been running a whole lot recently cause I am training to run a 10 K in October.

Brandi Sea: 00:07:37 Meanwhile we’re all here skinny fat.

Michelle: 00:07:39 I just have like a bunch of like cookies this morning. Like wafer cookies.

Joelle: 00:07:44 Oh yeah.

Michelle: 00:07:44 But I didn’t run.

Brandi Sea: 00:07:44 Oh, the pink kind?

Michelle: 00:07:45 Oh No, I bought them from sprouts. So they, dark chocolate.

Brandi Sea: 00:07:49 Pink isn’t a naturally occurring color. We’ll get to that.

Michelle: 00:07:54 We’ll get to it.

Joelle: 00:07:54 I guess not. Um, yeah, I’ve been saying for like about three years that I’m gonna run this 10 K and I haven’t and so.

Michelle: 00:08:02 It is time.

Joelle: 00:08:02 Yeah. I have a friend who was a personal trainer and she is helping me and I’m actually doing it. I can run a mile without stopping now, which is.

Michelle: 00:08:10 Do you need a personal trainer or could you do this on your own?

Joelle: 00:08:14 I could probably do it on my own. I just need someone who’s like, hey, stick to this. Hey, are you doing it? Did you do your workout? Like if I have someone there.

Brandi Sea: 00:08:22 So you need more of an encourager than a the trainer.

Joelle: 00:08:23 Like an accountability person, like yeah. Someone to actually be like, yeah, encouraging and also just holding me accountable.

Michelle: 00:08:30 Yeah.

Joelle: 00:08:31 I would. Yeah, because there’ve been so many days that I’m like, I don’t want to, it’s too hot, but I’m like, if I don’t do it, she’s going to see that I didn’t do it.

Michelle: 00:08:38 Awe see, that stresses me out.

Joelle: 00:08:40 Oh really?

Michelle: 00:08:41 But that’s just my type of, I think. I think it’s a little bit mixed of like, I’m overwhelmed and you don’t tell me what to do pride. And so.

Joelle: 00:08:51 I see that eight wing coming through.

Michelle: 00:08:53 I’m like skews you. Yeah, don’t tell, I’m not doing it now, but it’s like I did it to myself.

Joelle: 00:09:00 Right. Yeah.

Brandi Sea: 00:09:00 You’re all, wait, I asked for this.

Michelle: 00:09:02 Exactly. Then I’m like, I chose to not want that. So It I changed my mind and you have to deal with it.

Brandi Sea: 00:09:07 I for sure don’t know where I land in any of this because I’m pretty self-motivated but also sort of lazy when it comes to doing physical exercise unless there’s a ball involved.

Joelle: 00:09:18 Yeah.

Brandi Sea: 00:09:19 If this is a sport I’m in, but if it’s like go run or go like or get on that bike like it takes so much. So much.

Michelle: 00:09:27 Yeah.

Joelle: 00:09:28 Yeah. So and usually about halfway through the run, I want to die.

Michelle: 00:09:32 Oh, so you’re not there yet, but getting there,

Joelle: 00:09:33 Yeah, I can run a mile without stopping and it is been probably since I played basketball in high school that I’ve been able to run a mile straight.

Michelle: 00:09:40 That’s amazing though.

Joelle: 00:09:41 So yeah.

Michelle: 00:09:42 I can, I can’t run a mile straight. Like, I can get there in a few weeks, but like of running consistently, but then I, once I get the mile, I’m like, yeah, I’m good. And I just like, don’t go back to the gym for months after that. Yeah, I did it. Oh, I can’t run a mile outside.

Joelle: 00:09:58 Oh yeah.

Michelle: 00:09:58 I can run on a treadmill.

Joelle: 00:09:59 I’ve been forcing myself to do it outside. I want to go do it on the treadmill, but I need to do it outside because the 10 K is actually gonna be outside.

Michelle: 00:10:06 Yeah. You have to do that outside. I can’t even run it like a block outside without feeling like I’m going to Keel over. So.

Joelle: 00:10:12 Yeah. So that’s.

Brandi Sea: 00:10:14 Good for you.

Joelle: 00:10:15 Yeah, that’s the main thing I’m doing. So, um, and then just, I’ve been working a whole lot more outside work and watering and.

Michelle: 00:10:24 You work, you work in a nursery.

Joelle: 00:10:25 I work at a plant nursery.

Brandi Sea: 00:10:26 growing those little baby plants.

Joelle: 00:10:28 All the little baby plants.

Michelle: 00:10:31 I need you to help me. I totally think I’m killing my, I have actually, it’s not a succulent, but it’s a, it’s like a philodendron that’s not the kind of hangs. It’s the kind that like,

Joelle: 00:10:41 Oh yeah.

Michelle: 00:10:41 Sticks up. And I told I think I’m murdering it.

Joelle: 00:10:44 Okay. Send me pictures.

Michelle: 00:10:46 It’s falling over.

Joelle: 00:10:46 Oh Wow. Okay.

Michelle: 00:10:47 I replanted it and I followed all the instructions on how to repot.

Joelle: 00:10:50 Yeah, you can send me a picture. I had a friend of like a few months ago, sent me a picture of her plant. I was like, what am I doing? It’s dying. And I was like, I think you just need a water it more in like within a week. It was fine.

Michelle: 00:11:01 Mine’s like still green, but it just goes like over to the side.

Joelle: 00:11:06 Maybe I was just following the sun. Sometimes they do that. They go.

Michelle: 00:11:09 The sun is directly above it in a skylight.

Joelle: 00:11:11 Oh hmm. And I don’t know. I’ll just have to see her.

Michelle: 00:11:14 Yeah, I’ll send you a picture.

Joelle: 00:11:15 So yeah, that’s been your week.

Michelle: 00:11:16 Do you have a song?

Joelle: 00:11:17 I do have a song. Um, it’s See Through by The Band Camino. I have been jamming out to this song. It’s a song I have to listen to really loud in the car.

Michelle: 00:11:29 It’s one of those songs.

Joelle: 00:11:30 Yeah, it’s one of those songs and I love it.

Brandi Sea: 00:11:31 It’s not a listen to at home.

Joelle: 00:11:33 I mean, I can listen to it at home, but when it comes on in the car it’s like radio all the way up windows down. Like it is a summer.

Brandi Sea: 00:11:39 Hands out the windows.

Joelle: 00:11:40 Yes. Like singing at the top of my lungs. So good.

Joelle: 00:12:47 So that is my song and it’s so fun and I love it so much.

Brandi Sea: 00:12:51 You are literally just like doing everything in your power to not jump up and down.

Joelle: 00:12:55 Yeah. I want to so bad. It’s so fun.

Brandi Sea: 00:12:58 Is that why you only listen to it in your car cause you like can like.

Joelle: 00:13:01 Yeah, I can like dance like half dance.

Brandi Sea: 00:13:04 Upper Body dance.

Joelle: 00:13:05 Yeah. And.

Michelle: 00:13:06 I’m always like nervous who is looking over at me because I don’t hold back. So.

Joelle: 00:13:11 Yeah, I don’t either. I think I’m getting to a point cause I have one of my friends who actually is the one who showed me that song. She will go all out and she does not care who sees her. She’s just, she goes all out and I’m getting to that point just like, I like the song, I don’t care.

Brandi Sea: 00:13:26 If there’s a song, it’s going to be this one that makes me just like not care.

Joelle: 00:13:30 Yeah. It’s just so fun. It’s a good summertime song and you know we are coming to the end of summer.

Michelle: 00:13:35 We’re getting there, but you know, I don’t get your hopes up because we’re going to have another heatwave here in New Mexico, which is bound to happen. And then you’re like,

Brandi Sea: 00:13:43 I’m done.

Joelle: 00:13:44 It Happens.

Michelle: 00:13:44 I know I’m, I actually said those words today. It’s like I’m done with summer, I’m finally done.

Brandi Sea: 00:13:48 I’m like done with summer once it starts.

Michelle: 00:13:51 Oh see I don’t mind it.

Brandi Sea: 00:13:52 Summer just started. I’m done with you.

Joelle: 00:13:53 Yeah, I’m good. Like through June and then after that and like, okay I’m ready for fall now.

Michelle: 00:13:58 August is the time where I’m like, why aren’t you the weather you’re supposed to be, which is fall to me. But yes, it never is right now. I don’t get it. And I mean I remember thinking that September was going to be like the most perfect time for a wedding. You know, 10 years ago I was very wrong. You guys. It was blazing hot.

Joelle: 00:14:13 Yeah.

Michelle: 00:14:13 Blazing hot.

Joelle: 00:14:15 My birthday’s in September and I want to befall. It’s still technically like a summer birthday, but it’s just, I’ve always wanted it to befall.

Michelle: 00:14:24 Yeah.

Joelle: 00:14:25 But it’s not and it makes me sad.

Michelle: 00:14:27 Same, same.

Brandi Sea: 00:14:28 So you basically just liked that song cause it’s dance-able.

Joelle: 00:14:30 Yeah. Yeah. I’m like, and I liked the words too. Took me forever to figure out all the lines cause it like does the chorus so fast. But I figured it out and makes me happy.

Brandi Sea: 00:14:39 Now you sing it really fast.

Michelle: 00:14:39 Accomplished.

Joelle: 00:14:40 Yes. Now I can sing all the words and I love it.

Brandi Sea: 00:14:43 Yay.

Brandi Sea: 00:14:43 How about your week, Brandi? Um, so this week I went with my Kiddos, so my family lives in Santa Fe, um, my extended family, my parents, and stuff. And um, we don’t get out there enough. I grew up there and it’s, it’s just always been super touristy to me. But now that I’m older, it’s like got some nostalgia and they’ve been opening up some really cool new things, um, in this railyard park area. So I told the kids we would go on the train. So we took the train to Santa Fe actually that was today. And, um, my, I’m going to be like completely transparent here. I love my parents, but I really just wanted to go to sky coffee.

Michelle: 00:15:26 And just like enjoy your time.

Brandi Sea: 00:15:27 Because, and the farmer’s market was today.

Michelle: 00:15:32 Really?!

Brandi Sea: 00:15:32 So the farmers market and I went to the sky coffee place.

Michelle: 00:15:34 What a dream.

Brandi Sea: 00:15:35 So Jason Munn, who of who I’ve talked here.

Michelle: 00:15:39 About.

Brandi Sea: 00:15:39 About a lot, um, did the branding for them. I still don’t know how that happened.

Michelle: 00:15:43 How did they, I mean, he, I mean Santa Fe.

Brandi Sea: 00:15:45 So random.

Michelle: 00:15:46 You say that you’re from Santa Fe and they’re like, I’m in, because Santa Fe.

Brandi Sea: 00:15:49 I guess.

Michelle: 00:15:49 But still.

Brandi Sea: 00:15:50 Yeah. But I mean like he’s a music design guy.

Michelle: 00:15:53 I know. Like every, I look at, I look at those posters so differently now. Like they’re so cool.

Brandi Sea: 00:15:59 Yeah. Oh my gosh. So not only is it a cool place, um, Sky Coffee, but, and the branding is of course on point, but the coffee was incredible,

Michelle: 00:16:07 Good.

Brandi Sea: 00:16:07 So we got to go.

Michelle: 00:16:08 Good. Good. Good.

Brandi Sea: 00:16:09 And the train ride was really nice. It’s, it takes an hour and a half to get to Santa Fe from where I live on the train it’s two hours.

Michelle: 00:16:15 Because of all the stops.

Brandi Sea: 00:16:16 But I’m not driving.

Michelle: 00:16:17 Who Cares?

Brandi Sea: 00:16:18 I can sit and read or sketch or Instagram or whatever.

Michelle: 00:16:22 That’s nice.

Brandi Sea: 00:16:22 Yeah.

Brandi Sea: 00:16:23 So that was fun. Um, uh, yeah, like those are the highlights of my week. I, I think I did more.

Michelle: 00:16:28 Those are the highlights.

Brandi Sea: 00:16:30 That’s really what I care about right now. But I do have a song.

Michelle: 00:16:33 Okay.

Joelle: 00:16:34 Yay.

Brandi Sea: 00:16:34 Um, my song is called Game of Survival by, and if you guys know these people, just tell me I’m saying it wrong, but Ruelle r u e l l e or you ever heard of her?

Michelle: 00:16:47 No, it sounds right though. How you’re saying it.

Brandi Sea: 00:16:49 Another r r person this week. R girl.

Michelle: 00:16:53 Yeah.

Brandi Sea: 00:18:30 So I don’t remember, I think, um, I talked about a while back that I was watching a couple of shows, The Rain and the OA. I’ve talked about both of them. I’ve listened to those sound like those, um, soundtracks a lot. And I’m not sure which one I heard this from, but it’s from one of them, which I, I love that it’s so cinematic.

Michelle: 00:18:51 It feels very cinematic. It’s, it’s a great song for, um, like a contemporary dance that would kill as a routine.

Brandi Sea: 00:18:59 World of dance.

Michelle: 00:19:01 Yes! World of Dance! Take it.

Joelle: 00:19:01 There you go.

Brandi Sea: 00:19:03 Um, so I love, I love it. It’s so cinematic and like that beat drop and then it’s like, oh.

Michelle: 00:19:08 Oh yeah, it hits hard.

Brandi Sea: 00:19:09 Yeah. And I’m just like, it’s very motivating for me to listen to stuff like that when I’m working. That sort of authorial like headspace sort of music. Um, so I, I’ve been, I’ve been working on, I’ve been working on a friend’s resume designing it and he’s a cinematographer so I was listening to this while I was designing it to like get me, you know how I am. It’s what I do.

Michelle: 00:19:28 I mean, I edit the same way when I do have to edit at work for like, if it’s something that’s supposed to be cinematic, I’m gonna listen to that. Or that’s something that’s like a little bit darker. I like Google, like dark playlists, like super, like I found a really good, really good moody, dark playlist on Spotify for like writing. It’s gonna.

Brandi Sea: 00:19:48 So good.

Michelle: 00:19:49 Yeah.

Brandi Sea: 00:19:50 So I love that. Um, the lyrics are pretty straightforward. Like who’s in the shadows? Who’s ready to play? Are we the hunters or the prey? There’s no surrender. It’s a wild game of survival. It also sort of feels like they should have been in the Hunger Games.

Michelle: 00:20:03 Yes.

Brandi Sea: 00:20:03 That someone wrote this after watching or reading The Hunger Games.

Michelle: 00:20:06 Immediately reminds me of The Hunger Games.

Brandi Sea: 00:20:08 Yeah. The vocals too. Like I love the voice.

Michelle: 00:20:11 She’s got a good one.

Brandi Sea: 00:20:12 Very like.

Michelle: 00:20:13 It fits the music.

Brandi Sea: 00:20:14 Whimsical, almost like an eerie whimsical. Like a dark fairy.

Joelle: 00:20:20 It honestly kind of gave me a bit of like Lord of the Rings lives in the very beginning.

Brandi Sea: 00:20:23 A little bit.

Joelle: 00:20:24 Yeah.

Brandi Sea: 00:20:24 So yeah, that’s my song. There’s not a lot of lyrical content, but it’s a great song.

Michelle: 00:20:29 I think it’s not supposed to. I think it’s more aimed at the production of the song rather than the lyrics.

Brandi Sea: 00:20:36 Yeah, they did good. Yeah, it done good.

Michelle: 00:20:38 They done good. OK. So, um, today we are going to be talking about a book that a few of us have been going through. Um, it’s called The Secret Lives of Color by, I don’t know how to say, Kassia St Claire. Um, I think that’s how you say her name, Kassia.

Brandi Sea: 00:20:53 I think so. Yeah. She was actually after we had chosen this book to read, we hadn’t started a yet, but we had already chosen it. She was actually on an episode of 99% invisible.

Joelle: 00:21:03 Oh wow.

Brandi Sea: 00:21:03 I think it was either 99% invisible or something else, but I’ll find it and it will put it in the show notes.

Michelle: 00:21:07 Great.

Brandi Sea: 00:21:08 Um and it was a, it was a, it was a really fun, just short interview with her. But yeah.

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Brandi Sea: 00:21:30 We can do this without you.

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Brandi Sea: 00:21:36 So um, The Secret Lives of Color is basically, um, I wasn’t sure what it was going to be going into it. Um, but it, it actually is a lot of things. So it’s, it’s not only like the implications and meanings of colors, which is what I always love. But, um, the meanings that we get from colors are, and the, even the names of colors are there for a reason. And so she goes into, and it sounds really intense, but she covers like one color and like two pages or three pages, um, specific colors throughout history. So she covers like the science of like why those colors exist. Like if it’s, um, like chemicals interacting or like, um, she talks about how those colors were made, how they’re like-minded or like if they come from some sort of crustacean or from like the ground or whatever, um, how they were named based on like the Greek and Latin or whether it was like some sort of flower that it came from. Like she goes into all the naming of it, the usage of the color throughout time and also on top of that. So she goes, kind of goes over all that and then like, here’s how color this color has was seen and here’s why. So if, and we’ll go into more of this, but like if it’s the color black or something, it was associated with this because of this history and it was called black because this, this and the other thing. So every single color that she goes through, um, are all like these cool details and like little anecdote stories of like people that use them or um, people that like that was exclusive to them and that’s why it was so, you know, valued or whatever. So it’s like history, it’s naming, it’s how they got the color. It’s so many things.

Michelle: 00:23:23 Right.

Brandi Sea: 00:23:23 So overall like the book is really, you kind of have to be in a good space to be able to sit down cause it’s like you’re reading science, you’re reading geology, you’re reading history and you’re reading like psychology, like every two pages for every single color.

Michelle: 00:23:38 Do you advise somebody to take notes while they’re reading this? Or have something to.

Brandi Sea: 00:23:42 Um, if you’re a person that doesn’t like to write in your book, I would say yes. You would probably like to write notes. I, when I own books, they belong to me. So they will be with me till I die. So I, I dog-ear corners. I.

Michelle: 00:23:57 I’m not against it.

Brandi Sea: 00:23:57 I highlight. I write no down. So.

Michelle: 00:23:59 No judgment.

Brandi Sea: 00:23:59 There’s plenty of room. Like there’s lots of nice white space for like writing notes. I have a lot of like, I have a lot of places where I’m like, hmm or Ooh or gross. Like I have like my feeling notes. Like what I was thinking when I read these. So that’s really funny to look back and go. That’s,

Michelle: 00:24:17 What do you think about the overall layout of the book?

Brandi Sea: 00:24:20 Oh my gosh, you guys, I’m probably going to have to post pictures of this. So if you look at the spine like the the spine and you flip it over to like the page side of the spine. I don’t know, I should know this is called

Michelle: 00:24:32 Sure. Page side.

Brandi Sea: 00:24:33 The books, the book side of the pages side. Um, you can see like this beautiful gradient and it doesn’t go in Rainbow Order, which I kind of liked. It goes, it goes from white to black and then it’s like yellow, orange, pink, red, purple and blue. And Green and so on. So it’s like really pretty. And so where it gets that gradient is like the the right edge, like the the eighth side of the far side of the page. It’s really hard to do on the radio.

Michelle: 00:25:06 The outer side of the page.

Brandi Sea: 00:25:07 The outer side of each page has the color that they’re talking about. So if it’s silver or if it’s shocking pink, it has that shade. And so throughout the book it also like refers back to other colors. Like while this color came out before.

Michelle: 00:25:23 So it’s easy to find.

Brandi Sea: 00:25:23 And then you can go back. And so it’s really pretty and it, it allows you to like feel that color while you’re looking at it.

Joelle: 00:25:32 Yeah, like you don’t have to go Google the color, you can just see what it looks like.

Brandi Sea: 00:25:35 Which would be a terrible actually waste of time anyway because the colors on a computer screen are completely off.

Michelle: 00:25:40 Well if you’re, if your screen is not calibrated then you have no idea what you’re actually looking at.

Joelle: 00:25:45 Like is it gold and white or is it black and blue?

Michelle: 00:25:48 I don’t get it.

Brandi Sea: 00:25:49 Which sidebar is why you should never just make a logo just on the computer. Just for the computer.

Michelle: 00:25:55 Nope, because everyone sees it differently, which is another thing we’ll talk about eventually. We want to talk about colorblindness and color and everything. All of this stuffs that’ll come up later.

Brandi Sea: 00:26:04 We’re going to be talking a lot about color because let’s be honest.

Michelle: 00:26:07 We love color.

Brandi Sea: 00:26:08 And I’m doing a workshop on color in two weeks. So.

Michelle: 00:26:11 It’s on your mind.

Brandi Sea: 00:26:12 It’s on the mind.

Michelle: 00:26:13 It’s on the brain.

Joelle: 00:26:13 And speaking of like color. Like we had a beautiful sun shower this morning in New Mexico and I was, I was leaving for work. There was like legit, a full rainbow, almost double rainbow.

Brandi Sea: 00:26:23 There was, I took a picture of the double rainbow

Joelle: 00:26:24 Yeah, I took a picture of it too. Yeah. I was like, what a beautiful thing to see the day we talk about color.

Brandi Sea: 00:26:31 God, you knew!

Michelle: 00:26:35 But he knew.

Joelle: 00:26:36 It made my, my soul happy.

Brandi Sea: 00:26:38 Yeah, it was so great that that’s what we saw when we were waiting for the train this morning was the double rainbow.

Michelle: 00:26:43 I was sleeping. So let’s start at the beginning. White. Um, I know both of you have red, white, and so both of you are gonna weigh in on what I think white is a really confusing thing cause it’s not a color. It’s isn’t it like the absence of color? It’s like a lot of light.

Brandi Sea: 00:26:59 Yeah. Yes. In light, it’s all the colors.

Joelle: 00:27:02 Like she even talks about.

Michelle: 00:27:02 It’s all the colors. So there are two definitions.

Brandi Sea: 00:27:05 Yeah, we’re talking about. Well, this, we’ll just preface this by, we’re talking about basically paint colors or dye colors in this book. Not Light.

Michelle: 00:27:13 Not light.

Brandi Sea: 00:27:14 This is not light, this is not digital. Um, none of that. So.

Michelle: 00:27:18 So white. White feels very clean. It feels very fresh. It feels like a new beginning, a new start. Now let’s find out what it really means.

Brandi Sea: 00:27:27 Go ahead, Joelle. What were your thoughts on white?

Joelle: 00:27:29 I mean I just liked in the beginning how she like explains that like white, you can’t, you have to start with white. Like as you add color, you just getting closer to black. Like if you want white you have to start with it. And I just kinda liked that point. She has like the best phrases in this book.

Brandi Sea: 00:27:47 She does. She’s like British.

Joelle: 00:27:48 Oh yeah. Even in like the beginning, she’s like, the color is, oh gosh, what is it? Okay. Color. The colors we perceive an object to be is the, it’s precisely the color that it isn’t.

Brandi Sea: 00:28:01 Yeah. That’s science.

Joelle: 00:28:02 Yeah. It was just like, I loved that beginning and just how she explains it. Just that one little sentence and I was like, I have never thought of that before.

Michelle: 00:28:09 It’s like this mind-blowing sentence. All these words put together that you’re just like, oh, I get it now.

Brandi Sea: 00:28:15 And it makes so much sense. We’ll make it sound so complicated.

Joelle: 00:28:18 Yeah. So I loved that. Um, and then kind of wanted to focus on like led white. Um, I was watching a youtube video and it’s this youtube channel that I follow that does like historical makeup and fashion. And they were talk, they try and get as close to the natural products that they used.

Brandi Sea: 00:28:39 Without killing somebody.

Joelle: 00:28:40 Without killing someone. And so they talk about how like women would use led white makeup to keep their faces really pale.

Michelle: 00:28:47 And now we have to sign papers saying there might be lead paint in your house if it was built before this time and he will not sue if you get cancer.

Brandi Sea: 00:28:54 It’s a toxic substance.

Michelle: 00:28:55 Yeah.

Joelle: 00:28:56 And so like she has a little sentence of like, the irony is that women were slowly killing themselves in an effort to look the best that they could kind of thing.

Michelle: 00:29:04 Like, I mean it’s still not far from the truth as of right now, which is we’re not using lead.

Brandi Sea: 00:29:08 Yeah. It’s just not as obvious. It’s just not as obvious.

Joelle: 00:29:11 But I just thought I just liked that little little bit cause I watched that video and then read led white and I was like, oh.

Michelle: 00:29:19 Yeah, that’s what we did. Yeah. What about you, Brandi?

Brandi Sea: 00:29:21 So some of the things for me and white, so the colors listed under white or lead white, ivory silver falls under white, which was interesting to me. Whitewash, Isabelline, which was a new one for me. Chalk and Beige. So Beige fall under a white.

Michelle: 00:29:34 I didn’t know that.

Brandi Sea: 00:29:36 Which is interesting to me. I always thought that was more of a brown.

Michelle: 00:29:38 Yeah.

Brandi Sea: 00:29:38 So it’s not, but, um, that’s just, I’m going to just like read some of the the colors as we go into different color sections, just so you can hear like the different colors that they talk about. Cause some of them are colors that we don’t use anymore or names we don’t even use anymore.

Michelle: 00:29:52 Interesting.

Brandi Sea: 00:29:53 Which is kind of fun. Um, so I liked, I liked reading that um, white is a color that can simultaneously inspire awe and instill terror.

Michelle: 00:30:04 Oh yeah. That’s good.

Brandi Sea: 00:30:06 Which is like, oh yeah, it is, it’s very much like black. Um,

Michelle: 00:30:11 It’s kinda jarring.

Brandi Sea: 00:30:11 Which is, you know.

Michelle: 00:30:13 Black is more obvious.

Brandi Sea: 00:30:14 It’s more classic and modern. It’s like it can do the opposite of itself just by being like the purest form of what it is. Um, so I thought that was really interesting. Something that I thought was really fun. Um, just in regards to color in general that she said was that there were these things called color men and I was like, I want to be that. Um, those who produced

Michelle: 00:30:38 Is that like Leatris?

Brandi Sea: 00:30:38 And traded in colors were known as color men.

Michelle: 00:30:41 Huh. So Leatris.

Brandi Sea: 00:30:42 Yeah, basically,

Michelle: 00:30:44 Leatris Eisman. She’s if you don’t know, we interviewed her. She um, is, what does she do at Pantone? She names colors but what’s her.

Brandi Sea: 00:30:52 She’s the director of the Pantone color institute.

Michelle: 00:30:55 So Leatris Eisman is a color man.

Brandi Sea: 00:30:57 Yes. She or color woman. If

Michelle: 00:30:59 Color woman.

Brandi Sea: 00:30:59 You’re offended by that.

Joelle: 00:31:00 To be politically correct.

Brandi Sea: 00:31:01 Yeah. So um, there were a lot of good things in white. Um, I have, I have a Haha on something.

Michelle: 00:31:08 You liked something about what it was said on the page I can see.

Brandi Sea: 00:31:11 I’ll just read it real quick. It says it was not until the mid 19th century that researchers discovered that classical statuary and buildings were usually brightly painted. Many western aesthetics refuse to believe it. The sculptor Agusta Rodin is said to have beaten his chest in sorrow and said, I feel it here. That they were never colored.

Michelle: 00:31:30 That is a haha

Joelle: 00:31:34 Oh Gosh.

Brandi Sea: 00:31:34 Color. No, just white. There was never color here. Only white. Only white is good. It’s just so funny. I’m like, I think I’m going to legitimately do like a series of lettering on quotes cause she has a quote from a famous person on almost every color and I thought that might be fun.

Michelle: 00:31:49 I like that.

Brandi Sea: 00:31:50 Um, so let’s see. We can go on to.

Michelle: 00:31:53 The next color should be red.

Brandi Sea: 00:31:55 Okay. So that’s me again.

Michelle: 00:31:57 Yes.

Brandi Sea: 00:31:57 All right.

Michelle: 00:31:58 Um, you ha you have a lot and that’s okay.

Brandi Sea: 00:32:01 I do.

Michelle: 00:32:01 That’s okay to me Red. Um, I just think of Inside Out and angry. The angry dude.

Joelle: 00:32:09 Oh yeah.

Michelle: 00:32:10 Anger. Um, so I I immediately go red means anger but I know it has more like Target is red and it makes me feel clean and like put together. I enjoy going to target. I don’t mind the colors there I guess. I guess like outside of that it could be wrong, but within Target, I feel great about it. So.

Joelle: 00:32:30 Like I like a classic Red Lip. Like when I do make it really natural, like I, when I do like want to go like a fifties way like style with my makeup, I tend to go like

Michelle: 00:32:39 So classic.

Joelle: 00:32:40 Classic Red Lips.

Michelle: 00:32:41 Classic Coca-Cola, red.

Joelle: 00:32:42 Yeah. It’s kind of classic to me. I think.

Michelle: 00:32:44 What does red really mean?

Brandi Sea: 00:32:46 Okay, so red is so it’s funny cause I’ve always said red is my favorite color, which makes sense for me. But also sea green is my favorite color. So they’re like exactly opposite.

Michelle: 00:32:56 Yeah.

Joelle: 00:32:56 Yeah.

Brandi Sea: 00:32:56 But.

Michelle: 00:32:57 You don’t want to see those two paired together or you can.

Brandi Sea: 00:32:59 I usually pair see green and Maroon. Those look really good together, but Maroon’s different. So, um, I’ll just read a couple of things from red in general and then I’ll go with the one thing that I really loved. There were two things I really loved about the red section. So there’s Scarlett, Cochineal, Vermilion, Rosso Corsa, Hematite, hematite, probably Madder. M A D D E R, and Dragon’s blood.

Michelle: 00:33:24 Ooo.

Brandi Sea: 00:33:24 Which is amazing. So dragon’s blood was really cool and scarlet was probably my favorite. So I’m just going to say, I’m just going to read a couple of really cool things about red.

Michelle: 00:33:31 Cool.

Brandi Sea: 00:33:32 Um, so, well, first of all, red has, is the color of, of like life and power because it is our blood. So that’s, that’s something that like, people don’t usually always.

Michelle: 00:33:45 Associate with.

Brandi Sea: 00:33:45 Go to right away cause it’s so easy. It’s like, well yeah, red’s blood.

Michelle: 00:33:48 Like obviously but whatever.

Brandi Sea: 00:33:49 It’s powerful. It gives us life. So that’s one of the things that’s red has always been associated with power. Um, when paired with black, it’s, it’s the same as red and yellow where it’s a, it’s a power, power color, um, bumblebees, things in nature like that. Um, so, uh, apparently combat sports competitors who wore red won 50%, 55% of the time.

Joelle: 00:34:12 Oh Wow.

Brandi Sea: 00:34:13 Um, because it’s a little bit intimidating just to the other team, which I thought was really interesting. Um, this is sort of terrible, but it’s the truth. So, uh, apparently, um, in 2012, a study was published in the Journal of hospital, Dah, Dah, Dah, Dah, Dah, hospitality and tourism research, advising waitresses to wear red because research found if they wore this color, the tips they were given by male patrons would be increased up to 26%. Why? Because it gets their blood pumping. It makes them excited even if they’re not attracted to the person. Just seeing the color red makes your heart beat faster. Um.

Michelle: 00:34:50 Interesting.

Brandi Sea: 00:34:51 I saw this actually happen with me personally. We went to the Exploratorium in San Francisco a while back and they had this really, this was my favorite thing of all. They put you in this, it looks like a giant fishbowl that you put on your head and it.

Michelle: 00:35:04 Oh that’s right. You told us about that.

Brandi Sea: 00:35:05 You turn that little knob and it turns colors. As soon as it starts turning from like yellow to orange to red, you feel hotter. The temperature in the room is not different. Like it’s you start to

Michelle: 00:35:18 Color psychology.

Brandi Sea: 00:35:19 Feel a little suffocated. Yeah. And it’s like, okay, turn that thing back to blue. Okay.

Michelle: 00:35:23 And you, you took a long time in blue, like you spent the majority of your time in blue.

Brandi Sea: 00:35:27 Yes. I could’ve just like stayed there forever. Um, so that was really cool. So, um, the word red comes from colored color atlas and red rubber, which were synonyms, um, that the Romans gave it. So just kinda like shortened it. Um, Gosh, all the red.

Michelle: 00:35:47 All of the red.

Brandi Sea: 00:35:47 I just like marked up all these pages.

Michelle: 00:35:49 And you use red pen?

Brandi Sea: 00:35:50 I did. That’s what I did for the whole thing.

Joelle: 00:35:53 Oh Gosh.

Michelle: 00:35:53 It’s not, yeah, you just, it’s whatever. Red.

Brandi Sea: 00:35:56 It’s just what I do, um, let’s see. Uh, red and sex obviously. Um, in 1999, red appeared in 74% of the world’s flags because why it shows power and they want to be the powerful one. Um, the really cool thing about scarlet for me, this was a really interesting, so Mary Queen of Scots was executed, um, after being imprisoned for lots of years. This was in like the 1600s. Um, when she, before the execution, she carefully removed her somber outer clothes to reveal a bright scarlet under gown.

Michelle: 00:36:33 Ooh.

Brandi Sea: 00:36:33 Sympathetic onlookers would have had no difficulty unraveling her intended message. Scarlet was closely associated in the Catholic Church with martyrdom.

Michelle: 00:36:41 Oh.

Brandi Sea: 00:36:42 So without saying anything just by wearing red,

Michelle: 00:36:45 She’s like, I’m a martyr.

Brandi Sea: 00:36:46 She’s like, I’m a martyr and this is wrong.

Michelle: 00:36:47 Yeah.

Brandi Sea: 00:36:47 And so that was like blew my mind. Um,

Michelle: 00:36:51 I would not be thinking about that in my impending doom.

Brandi Sea: 00:36:54 Oh. I would, I’d be like, how can I show these people they’re doing something wrong cause she wasn’t allowed to speak.

Michelle: 00:36:59 Yeah.

Joelle: 00:36:59 Oh, yeah.

Brandi Sea: 00:36:59 That makes sense. That makes sense.

Brandi Sea: 00:37:01 That was the only thing that they let her keep from her former like clothing.

Michelle: 00:37:05 Yeah.

Brandi Sea: 00:37:05 Which was really interesting. Um, it was a restricted color to that only kings and Roman generals were allowed to wear. So because of all that history, that’s another reason it’s seen as powerful because they would go, this is a powerful color, only powerful people can wear it. And it just kind of like becomes a self-fulfilling prophecy.

Michelle: 00:37:22 Yeah.

Brandi Sea: 00:37:22 Right.

Brandi Sea: 00:37:22 So that was my, that was red for me. There was a bunch. But yeah.

Michelle: 00:37:26 Into that we’re going to go straight into pink.

Brandi Sea: 00:37:28 Oh.

Michelle: 00:37:28 Pink. Um, is also yours and it’s to me, I don’t know, you can weigh in on this. I know that pink used to be kind of like a masculine color and then within the 1900’s shifted over to be more of a delicate feminine color.

Joelle: 00:37:43 Right.

Michelle: 00:37:43 Um, I don’t know why. I think somebody just said so like marketing marketing was like, no, boys wear blue and girls wear pink.

Joelle: 00:37:51 Yeah.

Michelle: 00:37:52 Um, so to me pink is just delicate and pretty, but I think that’s just psychology, sociology, stuff that’s been played on me my entire life.

Joelle: 00:38:01 Yeah. I think the same for me. And I never, I think because it was so like feminine and I was a tomboy growing up, I didn’t really want to like pink.

Michelle: 00:38:09 Say no to pink.

Joelle: 00:38:10 It wasn’t until maybe like college that I was like, no, you know what pink isn’t such a bad color.

Michelle: 00:38:15 I know there’s more behind it.

Joelle: 00:38:17 Yeah.

Michelle: 00:38:17 So let’s learn about it.

Joelle: 00:38:18 There has to be more behind it.

Brandi Sea: 00:38:20 So the pinks are, these were all, some of these were like, oh, I’d never heard of that. So Baker-Miller pink, which was the one that I’m going to talk about the most, um, Mountbatten pink, you know the name, Mountbatten.

Michelle: 00:38:30 I know that name. Mountbatten is some.

Brandi Sea: 00:38:34 The Crown.

Michelle: 00:38:35 Is it the, is it the like from the show?

Brandi Sea: 00:38:38 I mean it’s real life.

Michelle: 00:38:40 I just know what it is.

Brandi Sea: 00:38:41 Her husband.

Michelle: 00:38:44 Thank you.

Joelle: 00:38:44 Oh my gosh! Yes.

Michelle: 00:38:44 Okay.

Brandi Sea: 00:38:45 Yeah.

Joelle: 00:38:45 I was like, I know, I’ve heard that.

Brandi Sea: 00:38:47 Joelle can make loud sounds, it just happened.

Joelle: 00:38:51 Yes, I can. I was like, wait, that does sound familiar. But I’m like, where it because yeah, I do love The Crown.

Brandi Sea: 00:38:54 Yes, so did you get you, you didn’t get through pink, huh?

Joelle: 00:38:58 No, I didn’t get to Pink.

Brandi Sea: 00:38:59 Oh, sorry, I just outed, you.

Joelle: 00:39:00 No, you’re fine.

Brandi Sea: 00:39:01 So a Fuchsia, shocking pink, fluorescent pink one I never heard of Amaranth, which is like on the red side of pink. It’s like almost red and puce.

Michelle: 00:39:12 Puce is a pink? I’ve heard puce.

Brandi Sea: 00:39:14 I thought puce was purple.

Michelle: 00:39:15 Puce sounds like a green to me.

Brandi Sea: 00:39:18 And Mountbatten pink looks purple to me.

Joelle: 00:39:19 Yeah, that looks kind of lavender.

Brandi Sea: 00:39:20 Yeah.

Michelle: 00:39:20 So if I were to see these colors and my husband saw these colors, he’d be like, that’s purple.

Brandi Sea: 00:39:25 That’s gray.

Michelle: 00:39:25 He’d be like that’s pink

Joelle: 00:39:25 Oh yeah.

Michelle: 00:39:26 Pink or gray. And I’d be like, that’s purple.

Brandi Sea: 00:39:29 Yeah, this is puce.

Michelle: 00:39:29 I would call it purple.

Brandi Sea: 00:39:31 So, um, okay. So the thing that I was really interested about for Baker-Miller pink, probably because of my interest in psychology and color, even though there’s a lot of that in here. Um, Baker-Miller pink is the color that they ended up painting a lot of, um, prisons inside the cells and inside of like insane asylums because this is something that blew my mind and something I need to research on my own. I wrote down, why does red increase heart rate and light red calm people down?

Michelle: 00:40:03 Really.

Brandi Sea: 00:40:05 This particular shade of pink was so calming that they actually had to stop using it because it was making people just like want to do nothing.

Michelle: 00:40:15 Oh my gosh. That’s interesting.

Brandi Sea: 00:40:17 So, PS, don’t paint any room in your house Mount or Baker-Miller pink.

Michelle: 00:40:22 So this is not the same color. But when I moved into my house that we live in now, um, we painted the walls kind of like a taupe-y color, it had pinks in it. I literally could not go home because it made me want to do nothing.

Brandi Sea: 00:40:39 Yeah. Isn’t that wild?

Michelle: 00:40:41 And I was, I remember I would tell Kelly I’d be like, I don’t want to go there. I don’t like being there because I didn’t get anything done.

Joelle: 00:40:47 Yeah.

Michelle: 00:40:47 And I’m just like, I don’t want to be there. And so we had to paint the colors a different, the walls, a different color because it was just making me do nothing. And that stresses me out.

Brandi Sea: 00:40:55 So it was like good on one hand cause it was like, okay, they’re less aggressive, but on the other hand also they’re just doing nothing. So that was really what, but also because so mt make Baker-Miller pink is not quite Pepto-bismal it’s like almost blush.

Joelle: 00:41:11 Yeah.

Michelle: 00:41:11 Like a pastel Pepto-Bismol.

Brandi Sea: 00:41:12 Yeah.

Joelle: 00:41:13 Yeah.

Brandi Sea: 00:41:14 Um, so yeah, I guess.

Michelle: 00:41:16 Interesting.

Brandi Sea: 00:41:16 They stopped using it. Um, there was some other things I just wrote down that puce is the worst name.

Michelle: 00:41:21 Yeah.

Joelle: 00:41:21 It really is.

Michelle: 00:41:22 It sounds awful.

Brandi Sea: 00:41:23 It’s just awful.

Michelle: 00:41:24 Like, how could, how could we improve upon that word? Like.

Joelle: 00:41:27 Yeah.

Michelle: 00:41:28 Like Puch, Puce, Puce`.

Joelle: 00:41:30 Yeah puce`.

Michelle: 00:41:30 Puce`. Put a little dash over the e.

Brandi Sea: 00:41:36 So King Louis, the 16th, um, says, had he been feeling more chivalrous, he might have called his wife’s dress faded rose. But instead, he observed that it resembled, resemble the color, couleur de puce, the color of fleas.

Michelle: 00:41:54 Oh come on.

Brandi Sea: 00:41:54 And the color stuck

Joelle: 00:41:54 How rude.

Brandi Sea: 00:41:57 He’s the king. He can call it what he wants.

Michelle: 00:41:59 Couleur de puce.

Brandi Sea: 00:41:59 So it is, it is forever puce. And it’s a beautiful color.

Joelle: 00:42:05 It really is. I like it a lot.

Michelle: 00:42:05 Puce means fleas?

Brandi Sea: 00:42:05 Yeah. Apparently.

Michelle: 00:42:06 Puce means fleas in French.

Brandi Sea: 00:42:09 Yeah.

Joelle: 00:42:10 Hmm.

Brandi Sea: 00:42:10 Or it did in the 1500s.

Joelle: 00:42:15 Yeah.

Michelle: 00:42:15 Rude.

Brandi Sea: 00:42:15 That was, that was my pink. There was a lot, there was a lot of fun stuff in pink actually, but all the way to talking about shocking pink and.

Michelle: 00:42:22 Shocking.

Brandi Sea: 00:42:22 And Marilyn Monroe’s dress that she wore in Gentlemen prefer Blondes.

Michelle: 00:42:25 She knows what she does. She knows that she.

Joelle: 00:42:27 Yeah. Good stuff.

Michelle: 00:42:29 Good. Good for her.

Michelle: 00:42:30 Next color is orange, Joelle orange. I literally can’t tell you what I think orange means. I, I don’t, I don’t, let me think. Hold on.

Brandi Sea: 00:42:39 Well what do you think about?

Michelle: 00:42:42 It’s shocking. It’s bright.

Brandi Sea: 00:42:42 When you think about orange.

Michelle: 00:42:42 The sunset? So it’s, I, I can’t, for a long time, I associated orange with brown and I was like, meh, I hope I don’t like that color. Um, but I, it’s grown on me. It’s, it’s a good fall color. I liked the sunsets a lot now, especially in New Mexico. So I associate it with those type of like calming things.

Joelle: 00:43:04 Yeah.

Michelle: 00:43:04 But I don’t know, I don’t really see it anywhere else. I don’t know.

Joelle: 00:43:09 Yeah. I think before this I probably would’ve just associated it with fall and like pumpkin’s and like Halloween. Um, I just love this one little sentence that she said in the beginning though, is there’s no doubt that orange has a confidence to it. And I did quote that on my Instagram because I was taking pictures of lots of orange flowers at work and I was like, it’s true. Orange really does have like a confidence to it.

Michelle: 00:43:30 It’s like, Hi, I’m orange.

Joelle: 00:43:32 Yeah. Um,

Michelle: 00:43:34 I don’t rhyme with anything.

Brandi Sea: 00:43:36 It’s because it has red in it. So it’s like, it has, it has the strength and the, and the warmth and the power of red, but tampered by some of the sunshiny yellow. Um, yeah, go ahead.

Joelle: 00:43:51 Yeah. And then there was another quote that she had at the very end of like introducing orange and it was like orange is like a man desperately seeking to convince others of his powers. And I was.

Michelle: 00:44:01 It’s like, orange is the man who’s like, I got to sit facing the door and you’re just like, okay.

Joelle: 00:44:08 Right.

Michelle: 00:44:09 Just chill out. Like who cares? You don’t have to see everything.

Joelle: 00:44:11 Right. No one has to know you’re good at everything.

Michelle: 00:44:15 Orange.

Brandi Sea: 00:44:17 Did you see? So I’m just going to put this last one out before you move on.

Joelle: 00:44:20 Okay.

Brandi Sea: 00:44:21 Wassily Kandinsky was one is one of my favorite artists, but it says, Kandinsky also described orange as red brought nearer to who To humanity by yellow.

Joelle: 00:44:30 Yeah.

Brandi Sea: 00:44:30 So it’s like red is like royalty and like super powerful and yellows like friendly and welcoming. And we won’t talk too much about yellow, but.

Michelle: 00:44:40 And orange is bridging the gap.

Joelle: 00:44:41 Yeah. Yeah. Um, and then the orange colors she focuses in are Dutch, orange, saffron, amber, ginger, minimum. Is that how you would say that?

Michelle: 00:44:51 Minimum. Let me see.

Brandi Sea: 00:44:52 It’s minium.

Joelle: 00:44:54 Minium.

Michelle: 00:44:54 Minium.

Joelle: 00:44:54 And nude. Um, which I was surprised by nude. I would have associated that as also more like a tan or a beige.

Brandi Sea: 00:45:01 It’s like a light orange if you think about it.

Joelle: 00:45:02 Yeah.

Michelle: 00:45:02 I would associate nude with like a white.

Joelle: 00:45:04 Yeah. So seeing it in orange I was like, but it makes sense though cause it’s like skin tone kind of.

Brandi Sea: 00:45:10 Yeah. I mean for people like you.

Joelle: 00:45:13 For me. I’m white

Brandi Sea: 00:45:16 I’m all, did you read the chapter on nude? This was a whole thing.

Joelle: 00:45:19 Yes, it did get political, I kind of glanced over it.

Michelle: 00:45:22 Oh really? Is that what nude did?

Brandi Sea: 00:45:25 Well, not on, I don’t think it was trying to be political. It was, I mean it’s very objective. So it was like nude has been a little polarizing because.

Michelle: 00:45:32 What is nude.

Brandi Sea: 00:45:33 Whose nude? Like if I’m naked, I don’t look like this color and you don’t look like this color and like obviously like native American and black people. And so.

Michelle: 00:45:43 Like what is nude?

Brandi Sea: 00:45:43 What is nude?

Joelle: 00:45:44 It was like it was talking about like nude lipsticks and like

Michelle: 00:45:47 Yeah that doesn’t work for me.

Joelle: 00:45:47 It was just so like for me it would be nude, like, because I’m white, but yeah, it’s not like that for the majority of population.

Brandi Sea: 00:45:55 I’m like, okay, let’s just leave it nude and have it just be that color.

Joelle: 00:45:58 Yeah.

Brandi Sea: 00:45:58 And we can just say nude is not naked.

Joelle: 00:46:01 Yeah.

Michelle: 00:46:02 Yeah. And actually.

Joelle: 00:46:03 Yeah, that’s fine.

Michelle: 00:46:04 Just read. I think it was like in 2016 that in at least in the U S of A, the majority of people are Caucasian. Right now it’s like 47% of people are caucasian, but Hispanics and Latinos have jumped up to 26%, which is 10% more than 10 years ago.

Brandi Sea: 00:46:19 That’s a huge percentage.

Joelle: 00:46:20 Yeah. That is good.

Michelle: 00:46:22 Side note, I just read that.

Brandi Sea: 00:46:25 No, that’s great.

Joelle: 00:46:25 I’m interested. Um, I think I wanted to focus in on ginger a little bit.

Brandi Sea: 00:46:29 I loved in ginger if I had to pick a chapter from the orange. I would’ve chosen ginger as well.

Michelle: 00:46:34 Yeah, I like the color. I like Ginger’s. I just think they’re adorable humans and I believe they have souls also.

Joelle: 00:46:42 Yes, I do too.

Michelle: 00:46:44 And I like the food. So.

Joelle: 00:46:45 Yes. Same. Um, like I just liked this one little sentences that somewhere along the way these qualities that led to be associated with a particular group of people, redheads that’s like, and it was like gingerbread. It was like spicy. And like all these things and now, and I did read it while I was spending time with one of my friends

Michelle: 00:47:04 Ginger beer.

Joelle: 00:47:05 Yes. Oh my gosh. I love ginger beer. Um, while I spending time with a friend who’s a ginger and I also, Anne of Green Gables is my favorite book and she’s a redhead.

Brandi Sea: 00:47:16 I had two, I don’t know how this happened. Two of my best friends in high school were both gingers.

Joelle: 00:47:22 Oh wow.

Brandi Sea: 00:47:22 And they w I’m like,

Michelle: 00:47:23 It’s ’cause they’re fiery and they can deal with you.

Brandi Sea: 00:47:25 Yeah. Like, and they can deal with me. Only gingers can deal with your Brandi. I understand.

Joelle: 00:47:33 Yeah.

Brandi Sea: 00:47:33 Michelle and Joelle must be ginger’s underneath

Joelle: 00:47:37 Hey I dye my hair red sometimes.

Michelle: 00:47:39 I can’t dye my hair red. That would look bad.

Brandi Sea: 00:47:40 Did you see what it said about King Henry? The 8th.

Joelle: 00:47:43 I don’t know, maybe I did. Um, I w I just really liked that they brought up Titian who is a painter an artist.

Brandi Sea: 00:47:48 Titian.

Joelle: 00:47:50 Yeah. Um, who he’s actually mentioned in Anna Green Gables when she’s doing, uh, like a poetry performance. And someone’s like, look at that girl with the lovely Titian hair. And they’re like, she was, he was just a painter who liked to paint redhead women. Like, she didn’t take it as a compliment, I thought that was really funny.

Michelle: 00:48:06 I like that. That’s great.

Brandi Sea: 00:48:07 It says King Henry the eighth, however, rarely noted for his sweetness of temper was definitely a redhead.

Michelle: 00:48:14 Oh gosh,

Joelle: 00:48:16 Oh yes. Oh gosh. I did read that part.

Brandi Sea: 00:48:17 Poor gingers there are, they can be sweet.

Michelle: 00:48:20 They’re intimidating.

Brandi Sea: 00:48:20 They are. They are.

Michelle: 00:48:22 I don’t know if it’s their hair.

Joelle: 00:48:23 I don’t know.

Michelle: 00:48:24 Or if it’s just who they are and maybe maybe it’s like something that’s been brought up like.

Joelle: 00:48:29 Yeah.

Brandi Sea: 00:48:29 Like, oh look, you’re a ginger. Ooh, you’re a feisty one.

Joelle: 00:48:32 Yeah. Cause it’s really funny, my friend who was an injure who he just got ordained to the pastor, but I had him take the enneagram and he’s a seven wing eight.

Michelle: 00:48:40 Oh yeah.

Joelle: 00:48:41 So I’m like, but he’s one of my like really good friends and so it’s like he’s, oh gosh, he’s crazy.

Michelle: 00:48:48 So orange.

Joelle: 00:48:49 So orange. Yeah.

Brandi Sea: 00:48:50 Orange is friendly.

Joelle: 00:48:52 It is friendly. I liked it a lot.

Brandi Sea: 00:48:54 And youthful.

Joelle: 00:48:55 Yes.

Brandi Sea: 00:48:55 Um, so part of what I have to do after, after this is I need to go, I have a sheet that if you guys are interested in getting, you can email me or go to my website, but I have a color and meanings sheet that I have.

Michelle: 00:49:07 Okay.

Brandi Sea: 00:49:07 So there’s a bunch of things that I need to add to it now.

Michelle: 00:49:10 Update.

Brandi Sea: 00:49:10 Like some extra.

Michelle: 00:49:11 Update.

Brandi Sea: 00:49:11 Some extras from history like that.

Michelle: 00:49:14 Um, the next color we will be talking about is yellow, Brandi yellow. Okay. One you love yellow.

Brandi Sea: 00:49:20 I do.

Michelle: 00:49:21 You love, love, love yellow. I know that it’s like yellow and black or like another power pallet that you’ve been talking to me a lot about recently because New Mexico United, which is our soccer team here in New Mexico. That’s their. Those are their colors. And so we see a lot of yellow these days and it’s grown on me.

Brandi Sea: 00:49:38 My brand has yellow.

Michelle: 00:49:40 Your brand has yellow.

Brandi Sea: 00:49:41 And black.

Michelle: 00:49:41 It’s bright. It’s, it’s true. Yeah. And I don’t know why.

Brandi Sea: 00:49:46 And sea green.

Michelle: 00:49:46 Yes, of course. Obviously. Duh.

Joelle: 00:49:47 Of course.

Michelle: 00:49:48 Um, to me yellow says, um, sunshiny fun, beautiful. And I don’t know. I guess it is a very strong, bold color.

Joelle: 00:50:00 Yeah. It’s just so happy.

Michelle: 00:50:01 If you drive around a yellow car, like whoa.

Joelle: 00:50:04 Oh yeah. I have a friend who used to have a yellow truck.

Brandi Sea: 00:50:06 You have a yellow car.

Michelle: 00:50:07 I do have a yellow car.

Brandi Sea: 00:50:08 You haven’t driven it much. But you will.

Michelle: 00:50:10 I will be. And here’s the thing, whenever I drive that thing around, somebody sends a picture of me in it to me and I’m like, I know you can see me.

Joelle: 00:50:19 Yes, Oh Gosh.

Brandi Sea: 00:50:20 Because yellow, and I know I’ve said this before, yellow is the first color the human eye sees.

Joelle: 00:50:27 Oh yeah, that’s true.

Michelle: 00:50:29 Caution. Caution tape. And chill out watch out.

Brandi Sea: 00:50:31 Not just caution tape, but like I said again, like things that will kill you in nature.

Michelle: 00:50:36 Yeah. Bumblebees.

Brandi Sea: 00:50:37 Are yellow or yellow and black. Yeah

Joelle: 00:50:39 They use it on fast food signs.

Michelle: 00:50:42 Things that will kill you.

Brandi Sea: 00:50:45 Yellow, yellow, um, makes you feel hungry. The Combo of yellow and red, not as orange, but the combination of yellow and red is why there’s a lot of food places.

Michelle: 00:50:54 McDonald’s. Got It.

Brandi Sea: 00:50:56 Yeah.

Michelle: 00:50:57 I want McDonald’s.

Joelle: 00:50:59 Same. I almost had it for lunch today.

Michelle: 00:51:00 The fries.

Joelle: 00:51:00 I’m not even gonna lie.

Michelle: 00:51:01 So good.

Joelle: 00:51:02 But I didn’t.

Michelle: 00:51:03 Good for you.

Brandi Sea: 00:51:05 Good for you.

Michelle: 00:51:05 And your 10 k running.

Brandi Sea: 00:51:05 I know she’s all, I can’t, I gotta run a 10k, but actually it’ll just kill me. Um, so another thing, blonde falls in the yellow category. So blonde, lead-tin yellow. Yes. Um, Indian yellow, which is not any, not politically correct anymore. Acid yellow, Naples, chrome, Gamboge.

Michelle: 00:51:26 I don’t know what color that is.

Brandi Sea: 00:51:28 Orpiment. No, I didn’t. Never. I had never heard those.

Michelle: 00:51:31 Orpiment.

Brandi Sea: 00:51:31 Orpiment. It’s like a brownish.

Michelle: 00:51:33 Yeah. I’m thinking you’re getting into browns.

Brandi Sea: 00:51:35 Imperial yellow, and gold. So those are yellow was a huge chapter but was probably my favorite chapter. I’m gonna read you the first line because it’s fantastic. Um, Oscar Wilde was, was arrested outside the Catagen hotel in London in April 1895. The following day the Westminster Gazette ran the headline arrest of Oscar Wilde. Yellow book under his arm.

Joelle: 00:51:57 I remember that.

Michelle: 00:51:57 Like what does that mean?

Brandi Sea: 00:52:01 A yellow book cover meant that it was some sort of sensationalist literature.

Michelle: 00:52:07 Ooo. Interesting. Like, like looked down upon.

Brandi Sea: 00:52:11 Yeah, like sin, like sinful books.

Michelle: 00:52:13 I love that that was their like, that’s like their click baits. Read this.

Brandi Sea: 00:52:17 There was a yellow book.

Michelle: 00:52:19 Did you hear? He was reading a yellow book under his arm.

Brandi Sea: 00:52:22 Yeah.

Joelle: 00:52:22 Scandalous.

Michelle: 00:52:24 That’s a scandal.

Brandi Sea: 00:52:25 Um, there was another quote here. It says, uh, tell one comes to think of it. One hardly realizes how many important and pleasant things in life are yellow. Um, so yellow is friendly also similar to orange cause they have parts of each other. Um, it is warm, it is danger. It’s also um, outgoing for obvious reasons cause it’s the first one in front of thing. Um, China in yellow printed materials like books were often pornographic.

Michelle: 00:53:01 Okay.

Brandi Sea: 00:53:01 So whereas we in America see we red.

Michelle: 00:53:04 Well, you’re drawn to it.

Brandi Sea: 00:53:05 Like the red light district red, this red, that red passion red, you know, even though that’s what it does, it does to us physiologically the applications in other countries. Red is not for that there.

Michelle: 00:53:17 It’s yellow.

Brandi Sea: 00:53:17 Which is interesting. That is interesting. I thought that was really crazy. Um, let’s see. So the color yellow that I wanted to highlight is Naples yellow, which is the closest to my brand yellow. Um, so Naples, yellow it says was not stable, which was like, maybe I need to rethink this shade of yellow.

Michelle: 00:53:45 No, don’t look it! Stop looking into now.

Brandi Sea: 00:53:49 Um, nobody was quite sure where it came from, which was interesting to me. And it’s, this is, I have a huge smiley face on this quote at the end.

Michelle: 00:53:57 In yellow.

Brandi Sea: 00:53:58 In orange.

Michelle: 00:54:01 Oh is that orange.

Brandi Sea: 00:54:01 Cause you can’t see yellow.

Michelle: 00:54:01 That’s true.

Brandi Sea: 00:54:02 It’s hard to see yellow when you write in yellow.

Joelle: 00:54:03 That’s true.

Brandi Sea: 00:54:04 In 1904, the post-impressionist Paul Cezanne, on who I love, upon seeing a fellow artist Palette, bereft of this pigment, which means meaning this pit I’m missing. This pigment was thunderstruck and said you paint with just these, he cried. Where is your Naples yellow?

Michelle: 00:54:21 Oh my gosh, it’s like a disgrace. Where is your Naples yellow.

Brandi Sea: 00:54:25 I just love, so the majority of these quotes come from artists. Okay. They, I’m like, so I’m not the only one.

Michelle: 00:54:33 They feel it.

Brandi Sea: 00:54:34 I’m not the only one who feels this way about colors. They were like intense.

Joelle: 00:54:38 Yeah.

Michelle: 00:54:39 Like how dare you.

Brandi Sea: 00:54:40 Here’s my white glove across your cheek.

Joelle: 00:54:41 Oh my Gosh.

Brandi Sea: 00:54:42 Where’s your Naples, yellow. I love it so much. So there was a lot of really awesome stuff in yellow. Um, gold also was really interesting, um, as a yellow was interesting to me. Um, so yeah.

Michelle: 00:54:56 Love it. Yellow.

Joelle: 00:54:58 Yeah, yellow was a fun read. I liked that one too.

Michelle: 00:55:00 Our next color and last color is purple.

Brandi Sea: 00:55:03 So we’re not doing every color guys.

Michelle: 00:55:05 No.

Joelle: 00:55:06 You have to read the book if you want to know about every color.

Michelle: 00:55:11 You guys.

Brandi Sea: 00:55:11 Read the book. We can’t give it all to you.

Michelle: 00:55:12 No. Yes. That’s called like, like.

Brandi Sea: 00:55:15 Cheating?

Michelle: 00:55:15 Cheating. We’re, she’s missing out on sales if we tell you the whole book.

Joelle: 00:55:19 Yeah, for sure.

Michelle: 00:55:20 Can’t do that to her. Um, so purple to me is royalty. Um, it used to be another color that I just did not like. I thought it was kind of like annoying, honestly. Um, it’s grown on me. It’s my daughter’s favorite color. It’s like purple. Watching her love purple. It’s just like, it’s a whole nother love. It’s also a little obsessive. Oh, with her. Like she, like we, so she’s in soccer practice sidebar. She has the soccer practice and they show these like bouncy balls out at some point in all the kids get to play with all the colors and they like throw them up in the air. But she just hoards purple. She gets all the purple balls and she doesn’t play with them. She just holds them because they are hers.

Joelle: 00:56:03 Wow.

Michelle: 00:56:04 So I’ve just heard love for purple has given me like a new like okay. But purple to me says royalty. Um, it says money and also like it’s flashy. Like it’s just super flashy to me and I love lavender but.

Joelle: 00:56:20 I do have lavender too.

Michelle: 00:56:21 But that’s the only like shade of purple that I’m like, you’re good with me.

Joelle: 00:56:22 Yeah, I had a purple room growing up. It was pretty close to lavender. But yeah, my mom legitimately picked it because of like royalty, like

Michelle: 00:56:33 Interesting

Joelle: 00:56:33 Reminding me that I’m like a princess.

Michelle: 00:56:35 You’re a princess.

Joelle: 00:56:35 Kind of thing. Um, cause I was like a Disney fan growing up. Obviously. Still, am.

Brandi Sea: 00:56:41 Disney fangirl.

Joelle: 00:56:42 Yes. So, yeah, my mom picked purple and I, I loved it. Like in the moment, I don’t think I liked it because she didn’t let me pick my own room color. But now looking back, I’m like, Oh, I miss my purple room. Especially now I’m married and I can’t have a purple room every again.

Michelle: 00:56:55 It will never happen again. Maybe go for a wall. See what happens.

Joelle: 00:56:59 Yeah. I loved this quote in the beginning, um, which she quotes, um, one of the characters in the color purple. It’s a book by Alice Walker and one of the characters says, I think it pisses God off. If we walk by the color purple and a field somewhere and don’t notice it.

Michelle: 00:57:17 He’s like, look what I did for you.

Joelle: 00:57:19 Don’t you see?

Michelle: 00:57:19 Are you kidding me?

Joelle: 00:57:20 Yeah. Like I just like that one little quote.

Michelle: 00:57:23 Iris’s are my favorite flower and they’re purple

Joelle: 00:57:27 Okay. Yes, they’re so fun.

Michelle: 00:57:29 Okay purple.

Joelle: 00:57:30 Um, the shades of purple are, I think it’s Tyrian purple, which that just makes me think of Game of Thrones, which I didn’t watch it, but like to your guy, like a character.

Michelle: 00:57:39 Yeah, it’s Peter Dinklage’s character.

Joelle: 00:57:40 Yeah.

Michelle: 00:57:40 Tyrian.

Joelle: 00:57:42 Tyrion Lannister I’m like.

Michelle: 00:57:42 Yes. Good job.

Joelle: 00:57:42 That’s literally all I know about Game of Thrones.

Michelle: 00:57:45 Is that Tyrion.

Brandi Sea: 00:57:45 That’s one more thing more than me. I know there’s dragons, that’s all I know.

Michelle: 00:57:50 Dragons.

Joelle: 00:57:50 And then Archil I’m like, I’m going to butcher all of these names.

Brandi Sea: 00:57:56 I, I’m, I’m guessing it’s Archil or Archil.

Michelle: 00:58:00 Archil?

Joelle: 00:58:00 Um, and then.

Brandi Sea: 00:58:01 Urkel.

Joelle: 00:58:03 Urkel Um, and then Magenta, which I always associated that with pink, but probably.

Brandi Sea: 00:58:09 It’s like right in the middle.

Joelle: 00:58:09 Yeah, cause I’m like, I mean.

Brandi Sea: 00:58:11 She was probably like.

Michelle: 00:58:11 That’s just Tyrian and I’m showing you Tyrian.

Brandi Sea: 00:58:13 Probably like which category? It’s right in the middle.

Joelle: 00:58:15 Yeah. Which it makes me think of Blue’s Clues because Blue’s friend growing was Magenta.

Brandi Sea: 00:58:21 Oh Magenta.

Joelle: 00:58:21 Like Blue’s Clues with mine and my brothers show.

Michelle: 00:58:24 Magenta just, nope, doesn’t remind me of Blue’s Clues, but that’s okay.

Joelle: 00:58:29 Um, and then Mauve, um, Heliotrope, and violet, um.

Brandi Sea: 00:58:35 Heliotrope is like chartreuse. Like we need to bring these colors back.

Michelle: 00:58:39 Oh, chartreuse.

Joelle: 00:58:39 Like so pretty and yeah like purple is the color of royalty. Like there used to be a phrase that was, um, like to be born in the, in the purple. And if you were born in the purple, it meant you were like born in royalty.

Brandi Sea: 00:58:52 They used to actually make sure that queens birthed in the purple room. So they were literally birthed into purple.

Michelle: 00:58:59 Into royalty.

Joelle: 00:58:59 Yeah.

Michelle: 00:59:00 In the purple.

Joelle: 00:59:00 Yeah. So I liked that little, that little tidbit. Um, something I thought was super interesting is like several of the purples needed ammonia to be like they needed to add ammonia in.

Michelle: 00:59:13 Again with the danger

Brandi Sea: 00:59:17 Where does ammonia come from PS?

Joelle: 00:59:17 Yeah.

Michelle: 00:59:18 Where? Science.

Brandi Sea: 00:59:19 Urine.

Michelle: 00:59:20 That’s disgusting.

Joelle: 00:59:21 Yeah.

Brandi Sea: 00:59:21 Some of these were made with human urine.

Joelle: 00:59:22 Yeah. They would like keep the like dye factories out of town because they smelled so bad. But purple was like the color of royalty, but it would like be.

Michelle: 00:59:31 No wonder it was so expensive.

Joelle: 00:59:32 I like noticed that. And I was like, why? It’s of color royalty, but it has to have urine in the process of making it. That’s real crazy.

Michelle: 00:59:40 I’m glad that we’re not in those days anymore. Just mixed some red and blue.

Brandi Sea: 00:59:43 Just chemistry. Thank God for chemistry.

Joelle: 00:59:45 Yeah, for sure. Um, I really liked the color Mauve. Um, and this one little like Queen Victoria wore mauve, but then like later on, um, there’s a quote from the night from the 1890s and it’s never trust a woman wearing mauve, which is a quote by Oscar Wilde.

Brandi Sea: 01:00:03 That’s one of my favorite books. Picture of Dorian Gray. I put a little heart

Joelle: 01:00:06 Yes. I need to read it.

Brandi Sea: 01:00:08 Um, and I wrote it. Never trust a woman who wears mauve.

Joelle: 01:00:11 Yeah, it’s really funny because I, when I was probably like 14, one of my friends had one of those murder mystery parties.

Michelle: 01:00:19 Oh I love those.

Joelle: 01:00:20 So fun. I want to do another one. My character

Michelle: 01:00:22 I was just thinking about that like two days ago as we are playing clue,

Joelle: 01:00:26 Let’s do it!

Michelle: 01:00:26 I think we have to!

Joelle: 01:00:26 Yes let’s do it. Um, my character, like she was known for loving mauve. So I had to get a mauve dress and then I, and I ended up being the person who was the murderer. And I was like

Brandi Sea: 01:00:37 Never trust a woman who wears mauve.

Joelle: 01:00:39 Um, and then now it’s to the point where like Queen Elizabeth, the current queen of England will not allow the color in any like flowers or anything because that phrase have never trusted a woman in mauve.

Brandi Sea: 01:00:51 So the last part of the quote. So it says never trust a woman who wears mauve. It always means they have a history.

Joelle: 01:00:56 Yes.

Brandi Sea: 01:01:00 This is the best. I love you, Oscar Wilde.

Joelle: 01:01:02 So yeah, purple was really fun.

Brandi Sea: 01:01:05 So the last thing I’ll say just because everyone’s probably wanting to know about blue is that um, it is by far the favorite color listed off by most people.

Michelle: 01:01:18 It’s my favorite color. Like.

Brandi Sea: 01:01:20 Do have like a specific shade of blue that you love?

Michelle: 01:01:21 Teal, blue and green.

Brandi Sea: 01:01:24 Teal is not a blue teal is green.

Michelle: 01:01:26 See, T here’s actually, you know, I want to say it’s really hard. Like, okay. My favorite, my favorite blue is more of a peacock blue. I don’t know where that falls.

Joelle: 01:01:37 Is that like a royal blue.

Michelle: 01:01:39 It’s like super deep. Um, okay. Greens make me really happy, which is, I’m really sad I didn’t get to read any of it. Um, Greens make me really happy so.

Brandi Sea: 01:01:48 You can read it later.

Michelle: 01:01:50 I feel like teal is like, hello, I’m blue and green. I’m best of both worlds and I.

Joelle: 01:01:55 You get the best of both worlds.

Michelle: 01:01:56 It just makes me so happy. Like I remember I was sitting down probably like a decade ago and somebody was like, what’s your favorite color? And it like took me back, like, I don’t have a favorite color. What color do I really like? And it like took me days to answer because I.

Brandi Sea: 01:02:12 So when you had to answer like those, those quizzes that are like trying to figure out your personality, it’s like, okay, what’s your favorite color?

Michelle: 01:02:17 I was like, I don’t know, is that a thing? And I just like, what color evokes like happiness to me. Like what is like jumps off the page and it’s like, yes, you are it, it’s teal. It’s teal, which I guess is part of the green family.

Brandi Sea: 01:02:33 So, um, based on reading, she didn’t say this directly, but based on reading the little intro to blue, um, I think this is probably why it’s most people’s favorite color. So, everyone, she says even the non-sighted possessed a special receptor that sends this blue light. This is crucial because it’s our response to this portion of the spectrum naturally present in the highest concentration in the early daylight, which sets our circadian rhythm, the inner clock that helps us sleep at night and remain alert during the day.

Michelle: 01:03:05 Interesting.

Brandi Sea: 01:03:05 So I just thought that was fun to point out. Like, and blue is always there. Blue is the constant. It’s the color of the sky and that’s you know, people. That’s why people trust it. And that’s why it’s in so many logos because it’s, it’s perceived to be trustworthy cause you’ve know when you wake up, if there’s no clouds in the sky, the sky will be blue.

Michelle: 01:03:22 Yes.

Joelle: 01:03:22 Right.

Brandi Sea: 01:03:22 So there’s just more there. But yeah, I highly recommend everybody get this book. Um, I probably could do like weeks and weeks and weeks on this, but um, I just suggest that you go buy it. I’ll post some pictures of some of the chapters now that we’ve, we’ve done it cause I didn’t want to like let the cat out of the bag and point out a bunch of stuff that I was finding cause I knew we were going to do this. So.

Michelle: 01:03:44 Now it’s time, The Secret Lives of Color by Kassia St. Clair. Um, we’ll post it in show notes or Joelle will.

Brandi Sea: 01:03:51 And I’ll post a link to my color and meanings uh pdf in its current form. You will probably have to wait to get the updated one.

Michelle: 01:03:57 Just hold on a second or just go, I mean it’s good as it is now, but it can be better. What you’re going to do.

Brandi Sea: 01:04:01 Things can always be better with me.

Joelle: 01:04:03 Yes.

Brandi Sea: 01:04:04 Never good enough.

Michelle: 01:04:04 I’m like eh it’s fine. Like my thing is, do I have to Redo that? Why do I have to?

Brandi Sea: 01:04:07 I’m like, when can I redo that?

Joelle: 01:04:10 Oh gosh, yeah.

Michelle: 01:04:10 Opposites.

Joelle: 01:04:11 I’m like if he, I’ll Redo it if you want me to Redo it.

Michelle: 01:04:15 I guess if that’s gonna make you feel better and I’m just like, no, I’d rather not.

Brandi Sea: 01:04:20 Alright. Alright. Um, Michelle. Where can people find us?

Michelle: 01:04:24 They can find us on all forms of social media. You can find us on Instagram, Facebook, Twitter via @brandisea. How do you spell your name?

Brandi Sea: 01:04:31 B. R. A. N D. I. S. E. A.

Michelle: 01:04:34 And you can give us your feedback on iTunes or via at Brandi Sea’s. Um, email brandi@brandisea.com We also have our own personal Instagram for design speaks. Go, give us a follow it’s design speaks podcast on Instagram for all of the music that we have been playing. We have a playlist on Spotify, it’s design speaks podcast, music playlist, something like that. Just Google.

Brandi Sea: 01:05:01 Just search design speaks podcast. You’ll find our podcast on Spotify as well as our music.

Michelle: 01:05:06 And if you get any value out of our show, go give us a review and five stars on iTunes. I mean if you want, you can give us four but you’ll be the one and only, so um.

Brandi Sea: 01:05:18 Bring down our average come on guys. We would so appreciate it. Huge things to Vesperteen for allowing us to use his song Shatter in the Night as the intro and outro to our podcast. Once again, check out our show notes for links and info. Thanks, Joelle.

Joelle: 01:05:31 Oh, you’re welcome.

Michelle: 01:05:32 Always and forever. Thank you. On all of our Design Speaks episodes